Are you smarter than a 3rd grader?

topic posted Sun, December 21, 2008 - 8:44 PM by  Jonathan
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As lexical elitists, we hold ourselves to a higher standard of speaking and writing than most of those around us. We're called pretentious because we correct "good" to "well" and say "properly" instead of "right."

Maybe those around us will come to us when they have a tricky grammar question and we feel vindicated when we immediately know the answer? We've all been there...

So, when my boss brought his nine year old daughter to work and asked me to help her by looking over her English homework, I was more than happy to oblige. She sat at my desk, looking up at me, doe-eyed, clearly in awe of my impressive linguistic dexterity and unassailable grammaticism, and asked me to look over the exercise she had just completed. Her instructions were to take a sentence, denuded of punctuation, and fill in the quotation marks. I looked over one that she had completed and gently told her that she was mistaken. I turned back to my computer, only to feel a light tap on my shoulder.

"Are you sure?" she asked me, timidly.
"Pretty sure," I said, as unpretentiously as I could.

She shrugged and went back to her work.

A few days later she came back, paper in hand, and showed me how she had done. She, of course, had done very well.

Only one wrong.

The one on which I had corrected her.

Does anyone else have a story like this?
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  • Re: Are you smarter than a 3rd grader?

    Mon, December 22, 2008 - 7:25 AM
    "We're called pretentious because we correct "good" to "well" and say "properly" instead of "right."

    Are we? I don't generally go around correcting people's language in that way! (Unless I'm being an editrix, or it's necessary to amp up the bitchiness, of course!) That sounds more like lexical fascism! I just quietly walk around, confident in my knowledge that I've got a great big lexicon and know how to use it....

    It had never occurred to me but I guess there are a variety of types of lexical elitists....

    The Grammar Nazi - who would be a "corrector"

    The Word Whore - someone who just loves words and will put out for the glory of language

    Language Lovers - people who enjoy not only words but different languages and the conceptual nuances they reflect, semioticians would fall into this category

    Anyone think of any more...
    • Re: Are you smarter than a 3rd grader?

      Wed, December 24, 2008 - 7:47 AM
      "The Word Whore - someone who just loves words and will put out for the glory of language"

      Hahaha, putting out for the glory of language...

      How about these:

      Connotation Connoisseur: People who make others feel stupid when they try to use a big word and end up applying the common meaning incorrectly.

      Denotation Despot: In many ways the ethical opposite of the connotation connoisseur, these are people who use words to mean exactly what they are defined as, regardless of connotation.

      Homonym NazI (subset of Grammar Nazi): A "corrector" who focuses on causing discomfort and humilitation to those who misuse homonyms, specifically "there" and "their," and "your" and "you're."

      (If anyone watches the cartoon Frisky Dingo, the main character has a great line regarding that: "Why are we sending out postcards that say 'Welcome to you are doom?'")
  • Re: Are you smarter than a 3rd grader?

    Wed, December 24, 2008 - 2:24 AM
    There is an old saying: Those who can do. Those who cannot, teach.

    I have had several "corrections" even at the college level. The title of "teacher" or "professor" does not necessarily correlate to mean that person is an expert in grammar. The individual might be a genius in their particular specialty, but that may not carry over to grammar.

    I also have a disturbing story. My beloved niece has recently earned her teacher certification and, quite frankly, her grammar is dreadful. She believes that it is not important since her field is economics and accounting. I would argue that proper grammar is important to everyone in the business world. Anyone speaking or writing with errors appears rather unprofessional in my mind. When I see a memo with errors, I cannot help but have a negative impression of that person's ability. Also, my niece has now accepted a position as a substitute and teaches classes in all subjects.

    • Re: Are you smarter than a 3rd grader?

      Wed, December 24, 2008 - 8:32 PM
      The old saying is exactly that -- an old saying. It doesn't have any more truth than any other old saying.

      I teach, but for 35 years before I started teaching, I did. My students consider me one of the best teachers in my department at California State University, East Bay.

      I am a journalist, not a grammarian. But I end up correcting my students dozens of times a week on their poor English grammar, spelling and punctuation. You don't need a Ph.D in English to know that when somebody writes something like "When a student feels sick, they should go the Student Health Center," they are misusing language.

      Just because somebody is a teacher doesn't mean that he or she is an ignoramous.
      • Re: Are you smarter than a 3rd grader?

        Thu, December 25, 2008 - 12:44 AM
        Bill, please understand that I did not intend to disparage all teachers. Fortunately, there are number who can do both teach and do. Sadly, I also know a number who are not quite competent in English or other subjects.

        We are all here because we love words and exploring grammar and word origin and things like that. However, I believe there is a dreadful prevalence of poor knowledge in the general population. Perhaps, many simply do not value our language or perhaps there are other reasons. Who am I but a word geek who spends more time in books than in the supposed real world?
        • Re: Are you smarter than a 3rd grader?

          Fri, December 26, 2008 - 12:20 PM
          I undercut my own point, incidentally, by misspelling ignoramus. So much for not being one . . .

          I am sorry I took your comment as an attack on all teachers (though I do think that old saw about those who can and can't is overly broad and tends to be used to dismiss an entire class of people who, for the most part, are just trying to help students learn).

          I actually agree with your basic premise. I just think ignorance of how to use the English language properly is not promoted solely by inadequate members of the teaching profession. I think parents teach their children bad language patterns and poor usage So do those in the entertainment industry -- particularly athletes but also those in the film and music fields. And don't get me started on public officials like presidential and vice presidential candidates, legislators, etc.

          The mass media certainly picks up and promotes ignorant use of language -- I find examples of egregious errors in serious stories in newspapers all the time. Books are often sloppily copyedited and proofread before release and we all know how the language is fractured in advertising on radio and television.

          I am not exaggerating when I say a lot of my students are woefully unprepared to use English as a tool for communication. This bothers me, and not just because I teach in a communication department. You would think that by the time somebody is a freshman in college they would understand the difference between "there," "their" and "they're," but many of my students don't seem to have picked up on which is which. They constantly pair singular nouns with plural pronouns, or plural verb forms. They often write in hideously passive voice (in my opinion, the only thing passive voice is really good for is avoiding responsibility when things go badly -- e.g.: "mistakes were made"). And they spell as many as one word in 20 incorrectly -- even when they are using spell-check!

          I teach a lot of students who come to English as a second -- or third or fourth -- language, but they aren't the ones that have horrible problems using the language correctly. It's the kids who spent their whole lives in American schools that mangle the English language the worst -- and believe me, they are not screwing up nit-picking stuff like misusing the subjunctive, splitting infinitives or confusing which and that. They can't handle very basic items such as making sure that a sentence has an actual subject and predicate, including a direct or indirect object when necessary, keeping verb tenses straight, or avoiding flaccid words like "that," "really" and "very" that take up space but generally add little to reader understanding.

          I am supposed to teach them how to observe, interview and do basic non-fiction writing -- how to organize a story logically, find an interesting way to begin an article and write prose that compels a reader to continue past the first sentence; But I end up spending a great deal of my time on remedial English. It is disappointing, but I figure if they get nothing out of my classes but the ability to string words together into a simple, direct and effective sentence, they are getting their money's worth.

          I tell them that it they end up in any sort of responsible job at all, they are going to be writing for the rest of their lives -- even if it is nothing more exalted than drafting memos for the company suggestion box.

          Those who can write well tend to do well. Those who can't are likely to fail -- not just in my class, but in the real world.

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