"Go" rather than "Said"

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They are different verbs.

The ignorant peons who make up the English speaking population make me absolutely sick. It amazes me that the collective stupidity of the mediocre majority has overpowered the education system. "People" (if you can properly call average peons "People") seem to be able to graduate from highschool without being made to use the proper verbs while speaking.

It is common for these subhuman animals to say something along the lines of "So, he goes 'what's up' and I go 'nothin dawg' and then my buddy is like 'wanna smoke bud and look at my truck?' so we all go to his place.".

The proper verb is "To Say". The proper tense is the past tense. I said, he said, she said, we said.

"To Go" is a verb which refers to travelling. I go, he goes, she goes, we go.

As tragic as the 9/11 attacks were, I hope that a few of these ignorant mooks were killed by the terrorists. I know that fire-fighters and ambulance drivers are, proximally and for the most part, inarticulate trash.
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  • Re: "Go" rather than "Said"

    Thu, September 9, 2004 - 4:39 PM
    Then sign me up for death!

    I use "go" KNOWING that it's wrong but PREFERRING it.

    To be telling a story and be forced to keep repeating "and then he said, and then she said" is tedious.

    Not only that, but using "go" has more ACTION in it for me!

    "So then he goes...." is just more vital to me, somehow.

    Guilty as charged and ready for a whipping with a wet noodle!


    :-)
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      Re: "Go" rather than "Said"

      Thu, September 9, 2004 - 7:49 PM
      Yes, but since when were we supposed to take the easiet route? Laziness is what contributes to ignorance most of all.
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        Fri, September 10, 2004 - 7:35 AM
        We're not.

        It's a personal choice to balance raising the bar with still being able to communicate with most people.

        If you're too cut off from the Masses, you end up as President of the United States, unable to recognize a barcode scanner.

        :-)
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    Re: "Go" rather than "Said"

    Thu, September 9, 2004 - 7:42 PM
    My father was really big on interrupting my stories for this sin, and others such as interjecting "like". He could really spoil a story.
    • Re: "Go" rather than "Said"

      Thu, September 9, 2004 - 10:03 PM
      I was all, "get out!"

      And she was all, "I know!"

      Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
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        Fri, September 10, 2004 - 6:48 AM
        My mother used to stop talking to me if I used "like" in a sentence while talking to her. At first it seemed harsh, but now I am actually relieved that she used this rather effective technique.
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          Fri, September 10, 2004 - 7:14 AM
          So I go "I'm all, like, going!" And then he's all "nu-uh!" And I'm all like "chya!" And he's like "dude!" And I'm like "I know!"

          My speech patterns in real life are very strange. There are elements in there ranging from academia, business-speak, newscaster, Elizabethan and romantic-era literature, slang from the 1920's through to the present, california surfer-dude, ebonics, British English, New England redneck, hoity-toity country club speak, and all kinds of pop culture. All delivered in a sort of sardonic Steven Wright-esque monotonish voice. It seems to attract a lot of attention. I do a lot of public speaking and people are always telling me afterwards that they've never heard anything like me. Sometimes I feel like the guy from the original Highlander with his weird melange of accents resulting from having lived 400 years.
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    Re: "Go" rather than "Said"

    Sun, September 12, 2004 - 6:31 PM
    I'm missing it. How is saying "he goes" instead of "he said" indicative of stupidity? It doesn't break up a sentence or make it more difficult to understand. I suppose you're also against using "they" as a singular gender-neutral pronoun when it actually refers to a group of people? If someone says "and then I came all over her breasts", do you tell them that the correct term is "ejaculated", and that "came" is a verb that refers to travelling?

    Reminds me of this piece, for some reason:

    www.douglasadams.com/dna/pedants.html
    • the Douglas Adams piece...

      Mon, September 13, 2004 - 5:30 PM
      I have no problems with celebrating the rollover of the yearly odometer, so to speak, with a party on Jan 1, 2000, but that is *not* the beginning of the new millennium! The nice thing about being a pedant is that I got *two* parties: one when the people who are bad at math celebrate the 'new millennium', and I celebrate the calendar rollover, and one when the people who know when the new millennium *really* begins on Jan 1, 2001.
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        Tue, September 14, 2004 - 7:19 AM
        I was in Dam square in Amsterdam on December 31, 1999 and let me tell you -- the pedants who sacrificed the celebration for the sake of being "right" missed the best party EVER. I hope being right brought them a lot of joy.
        • Re: the Douglas Adams piece...

          Tue, September 14, 2004 - 7:26 AM
          Sometimes I wonder if anything but being right brings the pedants I know any joy. They seem to be angry about something, most of them. I know when I get upset, I tend to be more pedantic. And annoying :)
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            Tue, September 14, 2004 - 8:07 AM
            I imagine them as people whose internal experience is so chaotic that they need the sense of external order that being a pedant offers.
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              Tue, September 14, 2004 - 8:41 AM
              That's a very thoughtful observation, Ms. Laura. It may be that way for me, but I also believe that I am sometimes pedantic when I perceive that by being so I can help to improve the general state of things. I spend a lot of time lamenting the imperfections of the world that could be fixed if we'd all just try pulling in the same direction. Sometimes it gets so frustrating to watch confusion prevailing on the tower of babel that I feel the need to speak up. That's about silencing external chaos, not internal.
              • Re: the Douglas Adams piece...

                Tue, September 14, 2004 - 8:49 AM
                Before I respond, I should tell you that I'm the same way.

                I mention that with the hope that you won't take offense at what I'm ABOUT to say.....

                :-)

                Which is this: we're probably both control freaks.

                YES, we can change things, but, NO, we can't change everything.

                I try to balance it all by attempting to set a good example and hope that others follow - without my actually dictating their behavior.

                Does that make sense?

                I should add that I did not recognize January 1, 2000 as the new millenium.

                Heehee.
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                  Tue, September 14, 2004 - 9:06 AM
                  Oh hey, I'd be the first to admit I'm a control freak. I'd go on, without missing a beat, to say that if people actually LISTENED to me, the world would be a better place. I believe that 100%. Not that I have all the answers -- I don't try to provide ALL the answers. But I have answers on some things, and because I make a general practice of not opening my mouth until I have fully considered all the angles I'm generally right. People who come to me for advice and then don't follow it almost always come back later to say they regret not having listened.

                  But you're right, leading by example is a much more effective technique. Pedantry turns people off. People don't like to be told what to do and react against it even sometimes over their own better judgment. The first rule of persuasion is to establish conditions such that the object of your message doesn't suspect you of trying to persuade him/her. To be pedantic is to completely ignore the most important factor of effective persuasion.

                  As for the millenium, I don't think it matters even a little bit when it began. It's an arbitrary designation that relates back to an event that isn't particularly well established anyway. It may be the millenium + 11 or -27 for all we know. What I DO know is that watching the odometer turn 100,000 is fun, and so partying like a rock star on 12/31/99 seemed the appropriate thing to do.
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                    Re: the Douglas Adams piece...

                    Tue, September 14, 2004 - 9:13 AM
                    Ah hah! But that's the whole point!

                    Of COURSE the world would be a better place if everyone listened to you - for YOU!

                    Me, too!

                    Damn. When DO I get to be in charge anyway?!??!
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                    Re: the Douglas Adams piece...

                    Wed, September 15, 2004 - 3:27 AM
                    <<What I DO know is that watching the odometer turn 100,000 is fun, and so partying like a rock star on 12/31/99 seemed the appropriate thing to do.>>

                    Bingo, my friend. No sense in turning down a good party just because the people celebrating it are calling it the wrong thing. ;) And then you can party again with all the pedants a year later.
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    Re: "Go" rather than "Said"

    Wed, September 15, 2004 - 7:18 PM

    I guarantee that someone once said something similar in Old English a few hundred years ago about some perversion of that language that you inherited and used in that post.
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      Re: "Go" rather than "Said"

      Wed, September 15, 2004 - 7:35 PM
      Alright, how can you prove this?
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        Sat, September 18, 2004 - 7:26 PM
        What do you mean? We're talking about basic principals of etymology here. We can simply assume that one day everybody did not get together and say "Let ye halt speaking ye ole unintelligible Old English schist." Language changes semantically and syntactically through people breaking the "rules". There is nothing bad about it.

        "Go" in place of "said" is just an example of this quite natural process. Look in a dictionary from the 1800's and see how many words have completely different meanings. The lexicon isn't determined by lexicalists, it is determined by the speakers.

        "Go" apparently now seems to also mean "said", the world isn't going to end because of it, although English as we know it definitley will eventually. But that's going to happen whether language nazis bitch and complain about it or not. (interestingly, you notice how NAZI no longer need refer to the German National Socialist Workers Party but now has a more abstract meaning, it's the same sort of thing)

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          Re: "Go" rather than "Said"

          Sat, September 18, 2004 - 7:35 PM
          A little addendum:

          When confusion results do to non-standard usage, or if the usage is standard but still confusing or ambiguous, then there may be good reasons to complain. But in the case of "go" vs. "said" there is clearly no ambiguity, unless your a totally inept speaker whom has no grasp of syntax.
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            Sat, September 18, 2004 - 7:48 PM
            >>The ignorant peons who make up the English speaking population make me absolutely sick. It amazes me that the collective stupidity of the mediocre majority has overpowered the education system.<<

            I'm curious about a few things. First, who in your life humiliated you to the point, you need to do it to others? Second, who exactly do you suppose you are addressing, here...people who speak non-colloquial language on the internet? And also, is language so rigid to you that it has no give, no slippage in meaning? I find that to be a foolish quest.

            When I say "cat", what do you picture? I'm sure it means, looks, and acts in your mind differently than the one I picture. Signifieds and signifyers can never be static. Good luck on your fruitless quest at humiliating people into speaking the way you think they should.
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              Sun, September 19, 2004 - 7:46 PM
              You idiot.

              "I done gooder at speakin' since I done get with smart folks on the online internet". Is that fine too?

              The language spoken by the ignorant and uneducated is as it is because of their ignorance and lack of education. A language is NOT "anything goes". A language is a collection of formal grammar, and mastery of it allows one to truly speak ones mind. A person who has a grammatical ability is a person with a thinking ability.

              "Go" is different from "said" by their respective definitions according to english. Wittgenstein may have said "meaning is use", but meaning and language are different things. I can grunt and point with clear meaning, but I am not speaking.
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                Sun, September 19, 2004 - 8:06 PM
                Are you talking to me? Is that what you call educated? Couldn't exactly come back with a metered response, so you overshot and called me a name.

                Just exactly who is "the ignorant?" and "the uneducated?" Would that be the people of this tribe whom you are addressing? Would that be some random unknown people "out there" that you speak of only in reference? No one speaks or writes grammatically perfectly, especially not you, and especailly not on the internet. What exactly is the reason you have for quoting "anything goes" did someone say that? Or are you quoting yourself?

                The only thing that can be in the act of according, is something alive, and yet you have given "english" the ability to do so. The use of a person's last name in reference comes AFTER you have introduced their name in whole. You can grunt and point; and it would be more clearly said.
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                  Re: "Go" rather than "Said"

                  Mon, September 20, 2004 - 3:32 AM
                  No, I am not calling you an idiot because I cannot come up with a response. I am calling you an idiot because that's what you appear to be to me.

                  The "ignorant" and "uneducated" are those people who lack education, critical thinking ability, culture, horizon, and class. They are the majority of people in this country and on this planet. They can be illiterate, or just not very smart. They are descendants of a working class culture. They are prone to being effected by propaganda and advertising. They are the untermensch, the booboise, and the proletariat. If you don't have at least a Masters Degree you are probably an ingorant peon yourself. If you don't even have highschool, you are downright unworthy of speaking to any of your betters. This board is called "Lexical Elitists" for a reason you know. Perhaps the theme has been lost on you.

                  Yes, some people DO speak grammatically perfectly. They are chastised for it by others who resent being made to feel stupid.

                  The "Act Of According" as you put it, is simply refrence, not language. A pictogram does as much, and it is not alive...but "up" doesn't mean "down" no matter how many ignorant peons use it to mean "down", and "Go" doesn't mean "said". "Cat" doesn't mean "Dog"...shall I go on you ignorant cunt-whore of a peon???
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                    Re: "Go" rather than "Said"

                    Mon, September 20, 2004 - 8:06 AM
                    Is this where we politely overlook your spelling errors?

                    ;-)
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                      Mon, September 20, 2004 - 8:50 AM
                      <<If you don't have at least a Masters Degree you are probably an ingorant peon yourself.>>

                      That is the funniest line of crap that I've seen so far today. Thanks for the smile!
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                        Mon, September 20, 2004 - 8:52 AM
                        I know! It's too delicious!

                        It will be interesting to see if he returned, humbled and chaste, or with his panties in a bigger bunch!

                        :-)
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                          Re: "Go" rather than "Said"

                          Mon, September 20, 2004 - 3:04 PM
                          You smelly vaginal bloodfart you! My panties do not bunch. My panties are the expensive, anti-skid, anti-bunching sort. It's only fitting that a person of my superiority have superior panties. They are made of the same material NASA uses against the heat of re-entrty.
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                            Mon, September 20, 2004 - 4:52 PM
                            You've got be fucking kidding me. Are you people really having this conversation?

                            And you, Dan, are brute. An oaf. A baboon, beast, birdbrain, birdie, blockhead, blunderbuss, blunderer, bonehead, boob, booby, bruiser, bull, chump, clod, clown, dodo, dolt, dum head, dumb ox, dumbo, dumdum, dummy, dunce, fathead, fool, galoot, goof, goon, halfwit, idiot, imbecile, klutz, lamebrain, loser, lout, lubber, lummox, lunkhead, meathead, missing link, moron, nincompoop, numbnuts, ox, palooka, sap, simpleton, slob, slouch, and a winner.

                            Not to mention an asshole.
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                              Mon, September 20, 2004 - 5:14 PM
                              Geez, I hope I'M not being lumped into "you people!"

                              I was choosing to ignore him from this point on.

                              He lost me at "vaginal bloodfart."

                              WTF?!?
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                                Mon, September 20, 2004 - 7:16 PM
                                >>This board is called "Lexical Elitists" for a reason you know. Perhaps the theme has been lost on you. <<

                                why no it has not been lost on me, I'm only seeing your elitism and raising mine on top of it...heh heh.

                                If language is static and frozen an infinite amount of things can rip it apart according to the rules; just trying to show you. You can't be beat by your own game then reneg on what you meant. If you think about it enough, you can rip apart anything anyone writes. But what is the purpose of language; it's to build, not destroy.

                                Laura, you rock btw~
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                                  Tue, September 21, 2004 - 10:01 PM
                                  "Purpose" implies providence, and religion is not the topic here.

                                  Meaning is a matter of interpretation. A painting has meaning, but doesn't speak.

                                  The lower classes of society are the source of colloquialisms. The language is not being changed by the enlightened levels of society, but by the ignorant and adelminded bringers of water.

                                  If a mistake becomes common in usage, it is a common mistake..but still not accurate. Most people thought the world was flat. The fact that the belief was common didn't make it true.
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                            Mon, September 20, 2004 - 7:17 PM
                            I doubt that you, Dan (if you are indeed a real person and not a caricature created for our amusement), have to worry about the heat of "re-entrty" -- or *any* type of "entrty" for that matter.

                            Thanks for the laughs!
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                              Re: "Go" rather than "Said"

                              Tue, September 21, 2004 - 10:07 PM
                              Caricature...that's a big word for a lard-laden HUSSY such as yourself!

                              I never make love or fuck-pork the same woman twice. If I do, she assumes it is a relationship, and I cannot afford be distracted by pithy things like love and committment. I am too busy doing important things like curing cancer and unifying astrophysics and quantum physics.

                              You would not understand of course...you blindly consume the products I have invented without consideration to their origin. Squeeze Cheese..that was me. And wait...Squeeze Guacamole is on the way. I also invented the following:

                              Science.
                              Language.
                              Jesus.
                              Pop-tops.
                              Size Beads.
                              The internet.

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                                Tue, September 21, 2004 - 10:22 PM
                                This, ladies and gentlemen, is the CLASSIC... CLASSIC example of a Narcissist. Excellent job Dan, in either simulating one or being one, I commend you and enjoy you either way!
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                                Sun, September 26, 2004 - 12:16 AM
                                Speaking of unedumacated.
                                "Unifying astrophysics and quantum physics"?!?!

                                Ha! By that I suppose you meant to say "relativity with quantum physics"!

                                As if astrophysicists don't ever use quantum physics! After all most of what an astrophysicist does concerns light, most of the theory of which falls under the realm of quantum physics. Any 4th grader knows that!

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